tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post3448783026518512343..comments2024-03-27T05:23:48.855-04:00Comments on Krugman-in-Wonderland: Higher taxes on investment income = more investment, Krugman claimsWilliam L. Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802990642236807359noreply@blogger.comBlogger192125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-14258718788239391302013-07-05T04:24:47.045-04:002013-07-05T04:24:47.045-04:00I also benefit from learning the assessments, but ...I also benefit from learning the assessments, but learn that alot of people ought to stay on essay to try and add worth in the direction of the authentic weblog releas. <a href="http://www.facebook.com/AsifAzeezPTI" rel="nofollow">Realtor</a><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09988824537426226265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-21324975133044812652012-01-30T20:38:02.222-05:002012-01-30T20:38:02.222-05:00And it's all due to his flawed chosen epistemo...And it's all due to his flawed chosen epistemology and the consequent inability to distinguish universals from concretes.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-13228740677014834232012-01-30T19:49:43.303-05:002012-01-30T19:49:43.303-05:00Bala:
"MF has said this and I am only reiter...Bala:<br /><br />"MF has said this and I am only reiterating it. ALL and ANY government is harmful to people. As a person interested in people and their well-being, this much enough. No further "knowledge" of the specific harm caused by specific forms of government is of any value. Zero harm is my goal. Hence, I see no value in studying government."<br /><br />Zachriel is so depraved that he actually finds it "valuable" to study the techniques and strategies of how some people harm other people.<br /><br />He should have lived in WW2 Germany or Japan. Then he could have applied to be a mailroom clerk at a facility that studies the effects of torturing people to death. Then he could have looked over the shoulders of violent thugs and relished at all the various ways humans can experience pain and torment.<br /><br />Unfortunately, he has to settle for the watered down version of that called democracy. But his heart is in the torture chamber.<br /><br />It's tragic how some people in the world have such barbaric and low cognitive awareness. I feel sorry for his parents. They raised a freakshow who not only calls for violence, but refers to himself in the plural.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-89687458195424008022012-01-30T19:04:32.127-05:002012-01-30T19:04:32.127-05:00"As the type of government can have a very re..."As the type of government can have a very real effect on people, and if you value or have an interest in people, then there is value in studying government."<br /><br />MF has said this and I am only reiterating it. ALL and ANY government is harmful to people. As a person interested in people and their well-being, this much enough. No further "knowledge" of the specific harm caused by specific forms of government is of any value. Zero harm is my goal. Hence, I see no value in studying government.Balanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-15999350303965707232012-01-30T18:59:10.908-05:002012-01-30T18:59:10.908-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: Frozen iron is iro...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Frozen iron is iron plus X."<br /><br />"X is élan de fer, no doubt."<br /><br />It could be. It is anything that distinguishes the concept frozen iron from the concept iron.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: ice is not water."<br /><br />"Heh. We are satisfied that the vast majority of our readers understand how empty your position is."<br /><br />"We"? Who else is there besides you? <br /><br />I am satisfied that truth is consistent with what I am saying, and that your position is utterly confused.<br /><br />The reason why there are two different words "ice" and "water", in this specific case, not saying it's always true, but in this case it is because "ice" is different from "water." We don't drink ice and we don't skate on water.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-76551368232529124122012-01-30T18:12:24.452-05:002012-01-30T18:12:24.452-05:00Major_Freedom: Frozen iron is iron plus X.
X is ...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Frozen iron is iron plus X. </i><br /><br />X is <i>élan de fer</i>, no doubt. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>ice is not water </i><br /><br />Heh. We are satisfied that the vast majority of our readers understand how empty your position is. Good luck with that.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-75676324232522425652012-01-30T17:50:01.599-05:002012-01-30T17:50:01.599-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: It doesn't say...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: It doesn't say "ice is water." <br /><br />"It says the substance "water" melts, that is, solid water (commonly known as ice) changes state to liquid water. Add more energy, and it will change state again to gaseous water."<br /><br />I agree. It does not say "ice is water." Like Bala said, you're either lying, or you are butchering the English language.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: The democratic state not only suppressed free markets, but didn't allow the minority to use their property the way they see fit or organize secession in political opposition to the state."<br /><br />"East Germany was not democratic."<br /><br />I didn't say it was. I made an argument about democratic states because that is the topic of discussion.<br /><br />"The differences between the governments of East and West Germany led to profound differences in economic and social outcomes."<br /><br />You keep repeating this like I haven't already read it and like I haven't already added to this that both governments were based entirely on individual action and had no reality apart from individual action.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Frozen iron."<br /><br />"Is frozen iron still iron?"<br /><br />Frozen iron is iron plus X.<br /><br />"You used the term "liquid water". Did you make that term up?"<br /><br />Actually it was you who brought that term up. I bet you won't acknowledge this, and you'll just move on to the next series of fallacy ridden claims.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-69145054233963995632012-01-30T17:37:56.308-05:002012-01-30T17:37:56.308-05:00Major_Freedom: It doesn't say "ice is wat...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>It doesn't say "ice is water." </i><br /><br />It says the substance "water" melts, that is, solid water (commonly known as ice) changes state to liquid water. Add more energy, and it will change state again to gaseous water. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>The democratic state not only suppressed free markets, but didn't allow the minority to use their property the way they see fit or organize secession in political opposition to the state. </i><br /><br />East Germany was not democratic. The differences between the governments of East and West Germany led to profound differences in economic and social outcomes. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Frozen iron. </i><br /><br />Is frozen iron still iron? <br /><br />You used the term "liquid water". Did you make that term up?Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-78421234925153703442012-01-30T17:24:33.752-05:002012-01-30T17:24:33.752-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: ? So what, you now...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: ? So what, you now admit that the citation does NOT say "ice is water"?"<br /><br />"The citation indicates that water melts, that is, "changes state from solid to liquid"."<br /><br />Agreed. It doesn't say "ice is water."<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Yes, peaceful exchange and respect for private property rights is "inherently bad" to those who want to engage in violence and disrespect private property rights."<br /><br />"That's right. The Communists not only suppressed markets, but didn't allow people to speak openly or organize in political opposition."<br /><br />That's right. The democratic state not only suppressed free markets, but didn't allow the minority to use their property the way they see fit or organize secession in political opposition to the state.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: You didn't answer the question."<br /><br />"Sure we did, but you missed."<br /><br />"We"? Who else is there besides you?<br /><br />And no, you didn't answer the question. You wrote two questions in response.<br /><br />"Water freezes (that is, becomes a solid) at 0°C. The frozen state of water is often called "ice"."<br /><br />You're just repeating the same thing that does not consider the arguments being made.<br /><br />"Now, iron freezes into what again?"<br /><br />Frozen iron.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: I already explained above in a prior post."<br /><br />"It's can't be that hard to explain again, or provide a link."<br /><br />It can't be that hard to scroll up. If you didn't remember it this time, what's the point of saying what your brain will just have trouble remembering again?Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-85808440245443547352012-01-30T17:19:55.157-05:002012-01-30T17:19:55.157-05:00Major_Freedom: ? So what, you now admit that the c...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>? So what, you now admit that the citation does NOT say "ice is water"? </i><br /><br />The citation indicates that water melts, that is, "changes state from solid to liquid". <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Yes, peaceful exchange and respect for private property rights is "inherently bad" to those who want to engage in violence and disrespect private property rights. </i><br /><br />That's right. The Communists not only suppressed markets, but didn't allow people to speak openly or organize in political opposition. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>You didn't answer the question. </i><br /><br />Sure we did, but you missed. Water freezes (that is, becomes a solid) at 0°C. The frozen state of water is often called "ice". <br /><br />Now, iron freezes into what again? <br /><br /><b>Zachriel</b>: <i>How are they different? By the way, did you make up the adjectival "liquid water"? </i><br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>I already explained above in a prior post. </i><br /><br />It's can't be that hard to explain again, or provide a link.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-54764033126357080312012-01-30T17:11:38.766-05:002012-01-30T17:11:38.766-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: "1) The melti...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: "1) The melting point of a solid is the temperature at which it changes state from solid to liquid." <br /><br />"That's right. The melting point of a solid is the temperature at which it {in this case, the substance 'water' from the first column} changes state from solid to liquid."<br /><br />? So what, you now admit that the citation does NOT say "ice is water"?<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Was it the violence the government used against innocent business owners, compelling them to do what they otherwise would not do for the sovereign consumers' benefit?"<br /><br />"The legal system was based on the premise that markets were inherently bad."<br /><br />Yes, peaceful exchange and respect for private property rights is "inherently bad" to those who want to engage in violence and disrespect private property rights.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Ice as "solid water" is "water plus X", where X = "specific quantity of average energy present in the water molecules not surpassing 273.15 Kelvin" or whatever."<br /><br />"Or whatever. It depends on pressure. In this case, the X that matters is the organization of molecules into a rigid pattern."<br /><br />You have a funny way of capitulating.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Water freezes into what?"<br /><br />"Iron freezes into what? Hydrogen freezes into what?"<br /><br />You didn't answer the question.<br /><br />I know your mind is going mental right now because you are unable to distinguish between universals and concepts that refer to concretes. Worry, but don't worry <i>too much</i>, because this problem has confused philosophers far more intelligent than you for millennia.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: This is different from water in snowflakes, because frozen water molecules are different from liquid water water molecules in their concrete sense."<br /><br />"How are they different? By the way, did you make up the adjectival "liquid water"?<br /><br />I already explained above in a prior post.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Before you said there is value in studying them, that they should be studied. Now you're saying that they can be studied."<br /><br />"As the type of government can have a very real effect on people, and if you value or have an interest in people, then there is value in studying government."<br /><br />According to you.<br /><br />According to me, the government has a very negative effect on people, and because I value people and have an interest in people, I find there is no value in studying ways people can hurt each other through violence, and there is only value in studying ways to improve people's lives through peaceful methods, while of course recognizing the existence of violent people and violence advocates like you. Peaceful people can find ways to deal with not only physical reality, but social degenerates as well.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-67350786434959990692012-01-30T17:02:06.266-05:002012-01-30T17:02:06.266-05:00Major_Freedom: "1) The melting point of a sol...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>"1) The melting point of a solid is the temperature at which it changes state from solid to liquid." </i><br /><br />That's right. The melting point of a solid is the temperature at which <b>it</b> {in this case, the substance 'water' from the first column} changes state from solid to liquid. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Was it the violence the government used against innocent business owners, compelling them to do what they otherwise would not do for the sovereign consumers' benefit? </i><br /><br />The legal system was based on the premise that markets were inherently bad. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Ice as "solid water" is "water plus X", where X = "specific quantity of average energy present in the water molecules not surpassing 273.15 Kelvin" or whatever. </i><br /><br />Or whatever. It depends on pressure. In this case, the X that matters is the organization of molecules into a rigid pattern. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Water freezes into what? </i><br /><br />Iron freezes into what? Hydrogen freezes into what? <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>This is different from water in snowflakes, because frozen water molecules are different from liquid water water molecules in their concrete sense. </i><br /><br />How are they different? By the way, did you make up the adjectival "liquid water"? <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Before you said there is value in studying them, that they should be studied. Now you're saying that they can be studied. </i><br /><br />As the type of government can have a very real effect on people, and if you value or have an interest in people, then there is value in studying government.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-75938432399023586342012-01-30T16:23:10.323-05:002012-01-30T16:23:10.323-05:00Zachriel:
"If you need more help, then go t...Zachriel:<br /><br /><br />"If you need more help, then go to your local university and ask a professor of chemistry."<br /><br />LOL, you need help with your ability to research. You lied, then you thought you saved yourself, but you ignored a crucial aspect of that latest citation.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Saying ice is water in its solid state is saying ice is "water plus X."<br /><br />"There is nothing added to liquid water to make it into ice."<br /><br />The "plus" is not referring to an addition of something in the physical, or energetic sense. It is meant in the conceptual sense.<br /><br />Ice as "solid water" is "water plus X", where X = "specific quantity of average energy present in the water molecules not surpassing 273.15 Kelvin" or whatever.<br /><br />"Typically, water freezes when its temperature drops below 0°C, just like iron freezes when its temperature drops below 1536°C."<br /><br />Water freezes into what? It can't be itself. It is something different. Ice. Ergo, ice is not water. Ice is different from water.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: With the state, there is no "individual action plus X" the way ice is "water plus X." There is only individual action, hence your analogy to snowflakes, ice, and everything else you're hobbling together to conceive of humans as mere cells to some greater organism or entity, fails."<br /><br />"There is organization, just as molecules of water become organized when they form into a snowflake. They're still molecules of water, but we can treat the organization as a whole because it has distinguishing characteristics."<br /><br />None of the characteristics of a government system are apart from individual action. <br /><br />What you call "organization" is not the creation of a new entity apart from the individual actors involved. You are just talking about a different content of individual action.<br /><br />This is different from water in snowflakes, because frozen water molecules are different from liquid water water molecules in their concrete sense.<br /><br />Individual actors in a society with a state are not different in the concrete sense of individual action.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Yes, that probably angers you because you want to view humans as mere means to "society" ends ..."<br /><br />"Your usual strawman."<br /><br />No, it's exactly what you believe, if your writings are to be taken seriously (yes, that is hard).<br /><br />"Even if you believe that anarchy is best and all governments are tyrannies over the individual, governments do exist, they are not all the same, they have distinguishing characteristics, and can be studied and understood. Frankly, it makes no sense to argue otherwise."<br /><br />Nobody here argued otherwise. Before you said there is value in studying them, that they should be studied. Now you're saying that they can be studied. Those are two very different things, and yet you just deftly switched your story and pretended that is what people are arguing against. So it's like you set up a reverse straw man. You set up a straw man for yourself, and then you pretended that the arguments against your original claims, were really arguments against that straw man.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-35143976681114117852012-01-30T16:22:54.743-05:002012-01-30T16:22:54.743-05:00Zachriel:
"Bala: This sentence is clearly di...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Bala: This sentence is clearly different from the sentence "Ice is water."."<br /><br />"And yet water melts at 273°K."<br /><br />And yet you ignored the footnote:<br /><br />"1) The melting point of a solid is the temperature at which it changes state from solid to liquid."<br /><br />In other words, by "water", they meant "solid water". Which contradicts your claim that ice is water.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: And no, at this point, we were comparing individuals with government, and individuals without government, not individuals with government and individuals with different government."<br /><br />"The discussion concerned Bala's comments that "government is a metaphor {1/21}" and "government is not real {1/22}"."<br /><br />Correct, which is not a discussion on governments compared to other governments. It's a discussion of what government is, i.e. government compared to no government.<br /><br />"In fact, governments are organizations with definable characteristics, and the differences between governments can have significant effects on the economic and social development of its people."<br /><br />Again, all governmental systems are a product of ideas, and individual action.<br /><br />"The government of FDR was not the same as the government of Hitler."<br /><br />FDR based his choices on the government of Mussolini, who was an Italian fascist.<br /><br />The only reason why the government of FDR was not like that of Hitler's was because enough people had ideas that differed enough from Hitler to make it impossible.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: LOL, then by that logic, removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development. And then removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development than that."<br /><br />"That East Germany stifled markets doesn't mean there should be no regulation whatsoever."<br /><br />I didn't say no regulation whatsoever. I said no government whatsoever. There is a huge difference.<br /><br />And if you say the East German government stifled markets, then you have to ask what is it that was stifling of markets. Was it the violence the government used against innocent business owners, compelling them to do what they otherwise would not do for the sovereign consumers' benefit?<br /><br />"In any case, you seem to have admitted to the general principle: There were fundamental differences in the governments of East and West Germany that affected many aspects of life in their respective regions."<br /><br />I never denied that, only to later "admit" it. I already knew it. I just added that both governments were entirely the product of individual human action.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Ice is not water."<br /><br />"Handwaving. You've been provided multiple citations."<br /><br />No, you have not provided a single citation that "ice is water." You have only provided citations that show "ice is solid water" or "ice is frozen water", etc.<br /><br />Your latest desperate round of Google searching had you completely ignoring the footnote that explains what "melting" refers to. It of course says melting refers to solid going to liquid, which means all those chemicals in the left column are to be understood as "frozen X" or "solid X", which neither Bala nor myself have denied is the case. You claimed that "ice is water" and you have not provided a single citation for that particular claim.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-33340529776846193442012-01-30T15:41:49.929-05:002012-01-30T15:41:49.929-05:00Bala: This sentence is clearly different from the ...<b>Bala</b>: <i>This sentence is clearly different from the sentence "Ice is water.". </i><br /><br />And yet water melts at 273°K. <br />http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-boiling-temperatures-d_390.html<br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>And no, at this point, we were comparing individuals with government, and individuals without government, not individuals with government and individuals with different government. </i><br /><br />The discussion concerned Bala's comments that "government is a metaphor {1/21}" and "government is not real {1/22}". In fact, governments are organizations with definable characteristics, and the differences between governments can have significant effects on the economic and social development of its people. The government of FDR was not the same as the government of Hitler. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>LOL, then by that logic, removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development. And then removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development than that. </i><br /><br />That East Germany stifled markets doesn't mean there should be no regulation whatsoever. In any case, you seem to have admitted to the general principle: There were fundamental differences in the governments of East and West Germany that affected many aspects of life in their respective regions. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Ice is not water. </i><br /><br />Handwaving. You've been provided multiple citations. If you need more help, then go to your local university and ask a professor of chemistry. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Saying ice is water in its solid state is saying ice is "water plus X."</i><br /><br />There is nothing added to liquid water to make it into ice. Typically, water freezes when its temperature drops below 0°C, just like iron freezes when its temperature drops below 1536°C. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>With the state, there is no "individual action plus X" the way ice is "water plus X." There is only individual action, hence your analogy to snowflakes, ice, and everything else you're hobbling together to conceive of humans as mere cells to some greater organism or entity, fails. </i><br /><br />There is organization, just as molecules of water become organized when they form into a snowflake. They're still molecules of water, but we can treat the organization as a whole because it has distinguishing characteristics. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Yes, that probably angers you because you want to view humans as mere means to "society" ends ... </i><br /><br />Your usual strawman. Even if you believe that anarchy is best and all governments are tyrannies over the individual, governments do exist, they are not all the same, they have distinguishing characteristics, and can be studied and understood. Frankly, it makes no sense to argue otherwise.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-58875705208746801912012-01-30T14:51:45.484-05:002012-01-30T14:51:45.484-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: There is no differ...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: There is no different properties over and above individual human action, between individuals where there is no government, and individuals where there is a government."<br /><br />"We were comparing different governments."<br /><br />"We"? Who else is there besides you?<br /><br />And no, at this point, we were comparing individuals with government, and individuals without government, not individuals with government and individuals with different government. That was before in a different discussion.<br /><br />If your current position is once again refuted, and you want to slither into a new discussion on different governments, then you would only be making the same error but in a different context. <br /><br />Between individuals with a government and individuals with a different government, there's still nothing more than individual human action.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Similar means there are differences. Differences means you are not talking about the same thing any more."<br /><br />"The differences between the economic and social systems in East and West Germany are largely due to the different governments."<br /><br />The different governments are entirely due to individual human action, the specific content of which differed in each country, which is based of course on different human ideas.<br /><br />But in both countries, it was entirely individual action.<br /><br />"For instance, East Germany had much weaker economic development because of extensive restrictions on markets."<br /><br />LOL, then by that logic, removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development. And then removing even more restrictions should have allowed for even more economic development than that.<br /><br />And again, all a product of individual ideas and action. Some ideas prevailed over other ideas, and therefore some actions (fascism) prevailed over other actions (absence of fascism).<br /><br />"Bala,"<br /><br />"Ice is water in its solid state. Not sure how much clearer it can be."<br /><br />Ice is not water. Saying ice is water in its solid state is saying ice is "water plus X." Neither Bala nor myself are making the claim that ice is not composed of H2O (water) molecules. We are saying that you are not correctly integrating concepts, and you are conflating universals with specific concretes.<br /><br />With the state, there is no "individual action plus X" the way ice is "water plus X." There is only individual action, hence your analogy to snowflakes, ice, and everything else you're hobbling together to conceive of humans as mere cells to some greater organism or entity, fails.<br /><br />Yes, that probably angers you because you want to view humans as mere means to "society" ends, and you probably hate it that others refuse to see individual humans as something other than what they actually are. The irony is that while you believe libertarians have to grasp and distort and twist concepts, it is precisely you that is doing so. When someone who distorts concepts sees undistorted concepts, they appear as distorted.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-70530630412040789842012-01-30T14:37:47.752-05:002012-01-30T14:37:47.752-05:00"Ice is water in its solid state. Not sure ho..."Ice is water in its solid state. Not sure how much clearer it can be."<br /><br />I agree it can't be clearer. This sentence is clearly different from the sentence "Ice is water.".Balanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-70440627278198746302012-01-30T14:08:55.319-05:002012-01-30T14:08:55.319-05:00Major_Freedom: There is no different properties ov...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>There is no different properties over and above individual human action, between individuals where there is no government, and individuals where there is a government. </i><br /><br />We were comparing different governments. <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Similar means there are differences. Differences means you are not talking about the same thing any more. </i><br /><br />The differences between the economic and social systems in East and West Germany are largely due to the different governments. For instance, East Germany had much weaker economic development because of extensive restrictions on markets. <br /><br /><b>Bala</b>, <br /><br />Ice is water in its solid state. Not sure how much clearer it can be.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-89414070604342839122012-01-30T13:47:26.220-05:002012-01-30T13:47:26.220-05:00"Again, see above. You continue to ignore the..."Again, see above. You continue to ignore the philosophical argument being made here, and you're derailing this into a debate over word definitions."<br /><br />Even in the realm of definitions, he has failed. He has decided to expose his insanity completely.Balanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-25055799756189098562012-01-30T13:45:26.174-05:002012-01-30T13:45:26.174-05:00"Yes, we note multiple citations above that i..."Yes, we note multiple citations above that indicating that "water is ice". "<br /><br />That's either a lie or a statement based on complete ignorance of English Grammar. You did not show a single citation that said "Ice is water.". Every citation you showed said "Ice is water frozen ......" or "Ice is solid water". None of them had a period right after "water". So, you are yet to establish the claim that ice is water.<br /><br />So the Titanic sank after it hit water, did it? Buffoon.Balanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-79025782453296895192012-01-30T13:38:06.106-05:002012-01-30T13:38:06.106-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: See above."
...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: See above."<br /><br />"Yes, we note multiple citations above that indicating that "water is ice"."<br /><br />"We"? Who else is there besides you?<br /><br />Again, see above. You continue to ignore the philosophical argument being made here, and you're derailing this into a debate over word definitions.<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: You continue to ignore the philosophical argument being made here, and you're derailing this into a debate over word definitions."<br /><br />"We can agree that graphite and diamonds are both made up of the carbon atoms, but that the atoms are in different configurations with respect to one another, and this gives them substantially different properties."<br /><br />That is exactly why the analogy with the state is wrong. There is no different properties over and above individual human action, between individuals where there is no government, and individuals where there is a government.<br /><br />Different properties means different entities. <br /><br />"Similarly, while former East and West Germany were both made up of Germans with similar cultural backgrounds, their forms of government were substantially different, and this had measurable effects on the development of their respective economies and social structures."<br /><br />Similar means there are differences. Differences means you are not talking about the same thing any more.<br /><br />With the state on the other hand, there is nothing different from individual human action. It is still individual human action.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-48097803441061236772012-01-30T13:20:04.252-05:002012-01-30T13:20:04.252-05:00Major_Freedom: See above.
Yes, we note multiple c...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>See above.</i><br /><br />Yes, we note multiple citations above that indicating that "water is ice". <br /><br /><b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>You continue to ignore the philosophical argument being made here, and you're derailing this into a debate over word definitions. </i><br /><br />We can agree that graphite and diamonds are both made up of the carbon atoms, but that the atoms are in different configurations with respect to one another, and this gives them substantially different properties. <br /><br />Similarly, while former East and West Germany were both made up of Germans with similar cultural backgrounds, their forms of government were substantially different, and this had measurable effects on the development of their respective economies and social structures.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-9691552782492891372012-01-30T12:46:25.367-05:002012-01-30T12:46:25.367-05:00Zachriel:
"Major_Freedom: Frozen water is no...Zachriel:<br /><br />"Major_Freedom: Frozen water is not water."<br /><br />"Wikipedia: Ice is water frozen into the solid state."<br /><br />See above<br /><br />"Alaska Dept. of Natural Resources: glacier ice is water in a natural state."<br /><br />See above. <br /><br />"Encyclopedia of science and technology: Ice is water in a solid state."<br /><br />See above.<br /><br />"National Park Service: Ice is water Ice is water in its solid form."<br /><br />See above.<br /><br />"General Organic and Biological Chemistry: Ice is water in the solid state."<br /><br />See above.<br /><br />You continue to ignore the philosophical argument being made here, and you're derailing this into a debate over word definitions.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-74346578941527188512012-01-30T11:55:54.088-05:002012-01-30T11:55:54.088-05:00Bala: Is ice water or is it made up of water molec...<b>Bala</b>: <i>Is ice water or is it made up of water molecules? </i><br /><br />Yes and yes. <br /><br /><b>Bala</b>: <i>Is water ice ... ? </i><br /><br />Not necessarily. Water can be found in a solid state (ice), or it can be found as a liquid or gas (vapour). <br /><br /><b>Bala</b>: <i>... is it made up of water molecules. </i><br /><br />Yes. <br /><br /><b>Bala</b>: <i>Is steam water or is it made up of water molecules? </i><br /><br />Yes and yes.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-67843292288494773392012-01-30T11:49:16.262-05:002012-01-30T11:49:16.262-05:00Major_Freedom: Frozen water is not water.
Wikipe...<b>Major_Freedom</b>: <i>Frozen water is not water. </i><br /><br />Wikipedia: <b>Ice is water</b> frozen into the solid state.<br /><br />Alaska Dept. of Natural Resources: glacier <b>ice is water</b> in a natural state. <br /><br />Encyclopedia of science and technology: <b>Ice is water</b> in a solid state.<br /><br />National Park Service: <b>Ice is water</b> Ice is water in its solid form. <br /><br />General Organic and Biological Chemistry: <b>Ice is water</b> in the solid state.Zachrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11268229653808829377noreply@blogger.com