tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post8345857866559416465..comments2024-03-27T05:23:48.855-04:00Comments on Krugman-in-Wonderland: Yeah, Krugman, the Koch Brothers killed Trayvon MartinWilliam L. Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01802990642236807359noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-82033882493108752952012-03-27T21:30:31.480-04:002012-03-27T21:30:31.480-04:00Anderson,
I've noticed that when right-leanin...Anderson,<br /><br />I've noticed that when right-leaning apologists (like yourself) are confronted with examples of corruption or other offenses the typical response is not to refute or deny but to counter-attack with something along the lines of "oh yeah, well your guys do it too, so we're even". As if somehow that makes it okay.<br /><br />Krugman points out the open corruption of Koch funded PACs and your first instinct is to say "oh yeah, what about Soros". Krugman points out how ALEC is using corporate donated cash to influence lawmaking and you immediately bring up prison guard unions, as if somehow those two groups had equal influence (they don't). Maybe instead of playing tit-for-tat you could pry yourself away from your Krugman-hating for 5 seconds and actually address the content of his critique.<br /> <br />And for the record, Soros was outspent by the Koch boys on lobbying expenses and PACs by about about 5 to 1 over the past 10 years, which contradicts your statement about how he outspends them.JGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-25763491277930943872012-03-27T17:20:02.652-04:002012-03-27T17:20:02.652-04:00re: those skeptical that the British outlaw self d...re: those skeptical that the British outlaw self defense, here is an overview of the issue:<br /><br />http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v26n2/cpr-26n2-1.pdf<br /><br />describing the aftermath of "the 1953 act that <br />removed the right to carry anything for protection, on the promise that society would protect<br />everyone... "<br /><br />It is interesting that in the Zimmerman case the law tends to guard against people like him going to jail.. yet somehow Krugman ties it into the prison industry which should want *more* people going to jail.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-70083225531654367972012-03-27T15:57:18.818-04:002012-03-27T15:57:18.818-04:00Dune:
educate yourself with the facts of the case...Dune:<br /><br />educate yourself with the facts of the case before making an a$$ of yourself.<br /><br />This is still America. We do not arrest people without cause. He was questioned and then released. Based on witnesses, he was taking a beating on the ground. Whether Trayvon had a weapon or not relevant as you can kill someone with your fists. Also, he apparently tried to get Zimm.s gun away but we will never know that.<br /><br />While all this false outrage is going on, one has to wonder why extremely occasional white on black crime gets such play but abundance of black on white crime is never reported on? How about the 13 y.o. who was doused with gasoline and lit up by blacks because he dared to try to answer a black history month question in class? How about the two Brits who got murdered by a brother in Fla. who begged for their lives before being shot to death?<br /><br />You progressives make me sick!American Patriothttp://defendourconstitution.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-6688579590369317372012-03-27T12:54:10.084-04:002012-03-27T12:54:10.084-04:00@Dune
"Libertarians accuse others of having ...@Dune<br /><br />"Libertarians accuse others of having double standards when their own biases are just as evident."<br /><br />I think you are confusing libertarian with liberal. Not the same thing.<br /><br />And if you are meaning libertarian then I haven't seen it. How about some examples of what you are talking about.Mike Cheelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-62263772844131134822012-03-27T12:25:42.542-04:002012-03-27T12:25:42.542-04:00I don't think anyone knows the facts about thi...I don't think anyone knows the facts about this case and I am not going to pretend that I do either.<br /><br />This is the law:<br /><br />“A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.” - Florida Statute 776.013 <br /><br />It seems pretty clear.Mike Cheelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-52391104757796409892012-03-27T12:22:17.012-04:002012-03-27T12:22:17.012-04:00"Zimmerman was then transported by police to ..."Zimmerman was then transported by police to the interview room at Sanford Police Department where he was questioned by a police investigator.<br /><br />Sworn statements from various witnesses at the scene were also obtained by police at the time."<br /><br />Even if this is true, it certainly insufficient treatment of a case where an unarmed civilian was shot and killed. Are you as accepting when a police officer does the same and gets off the hook?<br /><br />Libertarians accuse others of having double standards when their own biases are just as evident.Dunenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-32956852176776354342012-03-27T04:46:45.026-04:002012-03-27T04:46:45.026-04:00"Zimmerman was not even arrested at the scene...<i>"Zimmerman was not even arrested at the scene for questioning."</i><br /><br />Actually, if you read the police report, the police held Zimmerman at gunpoint, he surrendered and was handcuffed at the scene, and the police took his gun as evidence.<br /><br />Zimmerman was then transported by police to the interview room at Sanford Police Department where he was questioned by a police investigator.<br /><br />Sworn statements from various witnesses at the scene were also obtained by police at the time.Telhttp://lnx-bsp.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-57149387957699802272012-03-26T18:45:19.628-04:002012-03-26T18:45:19.628-04:00Krugman Florida's now-infamous Stand Your Grou...<b>Krugman</b> <i>Florida's now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest ...</i><br /><br /><b>Anderson</b> <i>Canada and Great Britain both have laws which prohibit self-defense, which means that anyone who is attacked and tries do defend himself or herself with what the government deems an "offensive weapon" will be arrested.</i><br /><br />Without looking into it, I find both these statements bizarre, unlikely to be true. Is there no mention of reasonableness and sincerity of the belief in the Florida law? Is there no mention of similar things in the British law? And notice how Prof Anderson says one thing, namely that self-defense is prohibited in Britain and Canada which <b>would be</b>outrageous and unbelievable, then says he means the use of certain weapons is illegal.macromanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04142304372187307154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-62012485647513863432012-03-26T15:51:39.111-04:002012-03-26T15:51:39.111-04:00"Think about that: we seem to be turning into...<i>"Think about that: we seem to be turning into a country where crony capitalism doesn’t just waste taxpayer money but warps criminal justice, in which growing incarceration reflects not the need to protect law-abiding citizens but the profits corporations can reap from a larger prison population."</i><br /><br />Krugman never got his own memo that the entire "private" prison complex is financed by government spending, i.e. "stimulus."<br /><br />That increases aggregate demand and boosts employment, especially in what he currently considers the economy to be: a depression.<br /><br />Yet there he is, calling government spending "wasteful", totally ignoring the fact that government spending is a net positvie when there are idle resources and unemployment! LOL<br /><br /><i>"Now, ALEC isn’t single-handedly responsible for the corporatization of our political life"</i><br /><br />Krugman is observing the politicization of our business lives, and believes he sees the corporatization of political life.<br /><br />Progressives like Krugman unleashed the "intellectual" state upon society, and now they have to deal with the unintended consequences of it.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-38392348715700231872012-03-26T15:34:07.632-04:002012-03-26T15:34:07.632-04:00As much as Krugman's morality and economics ar...As much as Krugman's morality and economics are very much depraved and fallacious, this quote:<br /><br /><i>"What this tells us, in turn, is that ALEC’s claim to stand for limited government and free markets is deeply misleading. To a large extent the organization seeks not limited government but privatized government, in which corporations get their profits from taxpayer dollars, dollars steered their way by friendly politicians. In short, ALEC isn’t so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism."</i><br /><br />shows that, at least on the surface, he accepts that there is a difference between free markets and crony capitalism. Whether he himself advocates for crony capitalism is besides this particular point (even though one would be justified in calling him a hypocrite), but this is in some way a positive, because so many other liberals don't get this, and Krugman saying it, even in passing, will at least promote some basic understanding of markets to his rather dimwitted readers.<br /><br />One has to start with what one has to deal with, after all.Major_Freedomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-31862869662531633432012-03-26T15:14:03.685-04:002012-03-26T15:14:03.685-04:00Krugman starts his column with "Florida's...Krugman starts his column with "Florida's now-infamous Stand Your Ground law, which lets you shoot someone you consider threatening without facing arrest ..."<br /><br />Right out of the box he purposely misrepresents the law. In addition we have no idea this incident even has a proper Stand Your Ground element. That aspect has been all media spin and conjecture.<br /><br />Neither you or I and certainly not Krugman know all the pertinent facts of the case. But that doesn't stop Krugman or other charlatans from grafting themselves onto it to advance a political agenda and getting attention for themselves. A tragedy occurred in some fasion. For some however, demagoging is a sport and facts and truth development is a waste of time.<br /><br />The facts of this case should dictate the consequential actions that flow from it. Nothing more, nothing less.<br /><br />Krugman stated "In short, ALEC isn't so much about promoting free markets as it is about expanding crony capitalism" Maybe, maybe not. I don't know enough about the ALEC to opine. What I DO know form Krugman's writings is he is NOT about promoting free markets with his progressive Marxist ideology.<br /><br />Mr Krugman is a hack, masquerading as an economist and intellectual.Mike Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6276561747841568697.post-75249196526732395672012-03-26T14:37:01.927-04:002012-03-26T14:37:01.927-04:00"Given that cops shoot unarmed people to deat..."Given that cops shoot unarmed people to death all the time and rarely face any sanctions for it, somehow I doubt that "stand your ground" legislation represents any kind of a threat at all, and in the Martin case, the law did not even apply."<br /><br />Just to critique this point...there has been a threefold increase in homicides based on self-defense since this legislation was passed in FL. In very few of these cases did the individuals who died possess a firearm themselves. The reason this case made news in the first place is because Zimmerman was not even arrested at the scene for questioning...This is the very essence of local bullying by armed aggressors (which is often racially motivated) on the weak that libertarianism ignores when discussing its unidimensional idea of freedom.<br /><br />Nice of you to brush the facts of the case aside so easily while criticizing Krugman of the same.Dunenoreply@blogger.com